Thursday, July 12, 2007

Now that's very civilized, that is.

Long time Gentle Readers will remember that I have a bit of a fondness for the kilt as formal wear.

A fondness, I have learned, which is shared by several of the afore-mentioned Gentle Readers.

Another trait we share is a tendency to carry the occasional firearm about our persons. However, concealed carry of your favorite pistol with your kilt is limited to either tucking it into your sporran, or by breaking out the tool-kit and heavily-modifying an inside-the-waistband holster.

Imagine our delight when we came across the webpage for the Neo-Kilt, and discovered that for the sum of 25 USD dollars, they will add a Concealed Pistol Sleeve to the waistband of your kilt.

By Jove, that is awfully civilized of them, and I believe I may have found my next kilt-maker.

LawDog

34 comments:

CrankyProf said...

The Cranky Dad and all the Cranky Brothers are hard-core Lochcarron customers, but this may make them switch allegiances - at least for casual wear.

Rabbit said...

I've seen their work, LD. It's pretty good quality. Been thinking about getting one from Neo myself, as Utilikilts are still pricey and not formal enough in some circumstances. Still, my UK's are as tough as a tarp...oh, wait...that's what it's made from...

Regards,
Rabbit.

It's Me... Maven said...

By the by, I always wondered...

Who is Jove?

Michael said...

Jove = Jupiter

Kristopher said...

I prefer open carry with my kilt.

Anonymous said...

Which version was the WW1 uniform kilt? And which would've been worn by a piper during WW2? Just wondering.

mustanger98 on THR

Anonymous said...

Yes, and if you have to shoot someone I can hear the police report now. "Control, he's kilt him!"

:-)

Peter

Don Gwinn said...

I do believe the folks who make Sport Kilts will do the same. Those might not work for you purists, but if you just want something comfortable to throw hammers in, they're great.

Makes you feel a little like Lazarus Long, doesn't it?

RM1(SS) (ret) said...

[Apologies for the vagueness in the following paragraph, but....]

Back around the winter of '89-'90 (I remember it was during my first year in Scotland) I was reading an article in one of the gun mags about holsters for concealed carry. One of the holsters being discussed was a thigh holster, and I remember being quite pleased that the author actually said that this holster was meant "for women, or for gentlemen who wear kilts." At this late date, of course, I haven't the faintest idea what magazine I was reading, or who the maker of the holster was, or anything else in the way of useful information. 8)

Fathairybastard said...

I've always thought you had to carry your weapon loose and unhindered in your kilt. This is a new twist.

Nyx said...

Lazarus Long wore a thigh holster under his kilt, right?

Strings said...

ok... ANYBODY supprised I'm jumping in here?

Bianchi makes an inner-thigh holster that works wonderfully for small framed guns (J frame Smiths, Colt Mustang, Seecamp, etc). Gotta warn ya though: depending on the gun, it can get a bit uncomfortable if you dress "appropriately". I'd suggest a mini-Glock, or a hammerless J...

Oh... Mr Dawg? The kiltmaker at the Bristol Ren Faire is supposed to be making me a "sporran holster" for the aforementioned Mustang. I'll let ya know how it turns out when I see him...

Cybrludite said...

Pity they don't have the Drummond clan tartan listed as one of their standard ones. Time to see it can be special ordered.

Jeff the Baptist said...

Eh, I like kilts and own one, but Neo/Sport/Utilikilts don't count as kilts for me. Just not traditional enough, sorry.

I'd rather go with "pocket" carry in my sporran (it's a Rob Roy there's room) or some sort of thigh holster.

farmgirl said...

Its never mentioned precisely where or how Lazarus Long wore all of his weapons. I suspect, from context, that he used a thigh holster more than once, but he was definitely not limited to such.

Being female myself, I'm more personally interested in where Dora hid hers.

Rick said...

Farmgirl,

I could have sworn that in several places, Lazarous is specifically referred to as strapping ordnance to his "hairy thighs". . .

Anonymous said...

Being mostly Scot to my Bruce-ish core, I've been informed by my male relatives that carrying a weapon in the sporran can be somewhat dire for the other weapon in the kilt-especially when running over bumpy ground.
Just adding a tad of info from those who know....
LawMom

Anonymous said...

I'm probably fixing to show a whole lot of ignorance, but... I'm looking at this from before CCW became common as we know it... Back in the day, I'm thinking they'd have belt-carried mostly edged weapons such as a dirk, a sgian dhub (sp? - small knife of last resort), a basket-hilted sword, maybe a Claymore. When blackpowder guns became available, they'd have more commonly carried them on or in their belt, would they not? So CCW wouldn't have been an issue at that time, and consider that as Scots moved to other parts of the world such as the Eastern US, more of them in America would have had Pennsylvania or Kentucky longrifles and that's not a CCW'able item either. Those would be the mountain men, kilted or not, who carried the fight to the Brits at King's Mountain, South Carolina. And in World War 1, there was the British unit the Germans called the "Ladies from Hell"... they wore kilts, but their weapons would've been No.1 Mk3 British Enfields and officers would've had the current British-issue sidearm. So I'm thinking in most historical contexts, kilts and CCW haven't been mixed... until lately with ya'll trying to figure out how.

What exactly is the deal with the sporran anyway? The more I hear about it, it sounds a lot like a modern "fanny pack" except for the way it's worn.

Seems to me, the best way to CCW with a kilt would be either in a shoulder hoster, thigh holster, or that deal on the website.

mustanger98 on THR (again)

Kerry said...

Law Dog, I've been lurking for a while. I forwarded the link to Josh Amos, owner of Neo Kilt. I own two as does my wife. The pistol pocket is fantastic. My wife had one built with two pistol pockets. If you want a traditional look, go for the standard tartan. If you want a custom look, you can get that too. He also has a kilt apron in the same style as the WWII aprons worn in battle.

Don Gwinn said...

Yes, Lazarus strapped multiple weapons to his thighs.

Yes, the sporran was basically a money/incidentals pouch.

No, I don't get the purists who say a kilt isn't a kilt unless it's made just such and so. Let's face it, most if not all of us commenting here are Americans and not Scots no matter where our ancestors might have gotten kicked out of. Lighten up, you'll live longer.

KBCraig said...

Amen, Don Gwinn...

As one whose ancestors were kicked out a long time ago (my paternal line was in America before 1750, with only one generation born in Ulster in 1729, after his Da got Ye Olde Boote out of Scotland), I'm pretty well divorced from those roots. And having a generic Scot surname, I can't even claim a clan, nor region.

My one brief trip to Scotland only took me to to Dumfries, home of Rabbie Burns, and home of Craig Lane, Craig's Farm, Craig Road, Craig This, Craig That... but at this very moment I'm sipping some 12yo The Macallan from the opposite corner of Scotland. It's one of the great Speyside single malts, distilled in Craigellachie (Craig Hillock).

But back to the story... *sigh*. It seems the land of my forefathers decided it wasn't enough of an insult to outlaw the Claymore, then the Sgian Dubh. Now they've gone and required a fookin' LICENSE to wear a fookin' SPORRAN, just in case it's made from a beaver or otter, post-'94!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6234290.stm

*sigh*... The assenach have finally won.

Anonymous said...

'course you could always just wear a Pager Pal: http://www.pagerpal.com

So long as your groin is reasonably covered this holster will be concealed, without any need for a shirt if you so felt the need. So hey, now you can conceal carry while playing beach volleyball shirtless, and I know just how much you were hoping to do that...

Personally I find it to be the only IWB (ish) holster that I have put on that I found comfortable at all... now if only it wasn't so bloody expensive to get your concealed carry in Texas (just seems wrong to me that it is easier and cheaper to get in the left-coast state of Washington, where I am from, than it is here...).

Anonymous said...

The Dog is Stuart of Bute, Angus, Colville, Fraser, Frazier, Stith, Lindsay, Duncan, Buchanan, Colquhoun, Campbell (oh dear), Douglas (double that), Edmondstone, Lusk, Vance, and a few others, all kilted.
LawMom

Anonymous said...

Check out the web site for Utility Kilts.
www.utilikilts.com

Several styles, very functional. Don't know if they have a gun sleeve - you would need to ask them. :)

Tish

Kiki B. said...

Who cares about where to carry your gun. Inquiring minds are still wanting to know what is worn underneath a kilt. ;-) You can look up my family's tartan under Clan Elliott(maiden name) at the following link.

http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clans/elliot/tartan.html

Strings said...

Kiki, I can't speak for Mr Dawg, but under mine, NOTHING is worn.




Everything under there is still in perfect working order! ;)

Kiki B. said...

Lol, Strings. Nice pic. I have looked at some of the full outfits online, and I am amazed at the prices of them. Of course, when you see what you get for it, it has to be worth it. Someday when I'm rich(doubtfully ever), I do plan on getting a ladies outfit myself. I do doubt hubby would wear one, but he is from German descent after all. Tsk, tsk!

ColtCCO said...

I have had very little trouble with either a Milt Sparks Versa Max or a Brommeland MaxCon V IWB holsters when wearing my Utilikilt (Mocker, black). I intend to purchase a Locharron medium weight, but now I'm not so sure, as carry is not optional, and the UK's use of standard, if wide, belts, makes that easy. I may very well get a Neokilt next so that my 1911 may continue to ride along.

The ladies all love the novelty of the kilt, and tend to request kilt checks regularly, so stand with confidence, fellow kilt wearers. The other guys all wish they were that secure.

Also, my dad's side MacDuff, my mom's...not. I'll take what I can get - we're all American first, anyway.

ColtCCO

Jenna said...

Hmmmm. My husbands last argument for refusing to wear a kilt in his friend's wedding has now been squashed! Thanks for the link.

Loving Annie said...

How come you haven't visited me yet, LawDog ?

Strings said...

for those balking at the price: you can find some good, high quality kilts on Ebay (takes some time, but it CAN be done). The one in my pic was obtained that way. The shirt and jacket there were loaners from a friend: I was helping him at a wedding show. I wear low Ren boots with my "formal" still, although I'll someday get ghilles and stockings...

Oh... if you REALLY want to spend the money on a trad kilt, I'd like to recomend Angus Harvey (http://www.angusharveykiltmaker.com/). He's a friend (and the one I mentioned earlier, making me a "CCW sporran"). He makes a REALLY good product, and is one of the more reasonable sellers out there...

Anonymous said...

Dawg,

My hubby, a fellow LEO and Kilt Enthusiast, suggests a Tactical Thigh Holster. It fits nicely under the kilt, can hold his larger frame pistol and doesn't bounce the family fruits. *EG*

Josh Amos said...

Hi folks

Mr Davis asked if I minded chiming in here.

As a shooter and a kilt maker I can tell you that my kilt holster idea has been tested on the firing line and I can tell you that it works.

No insult intended to anyone else but the thigh holster is a no go if you are in a shoot situation.

Imagine the logistics... Drop what you are doing, reach down to your kilt, grab for the hem or the selvedge edge, pull your kilt up high enough to get to you gun, reach back upwards to you gun, draw the gun, try not to tangle it in the fabric as you draw it out, then go to work.

See what I mean?

That's why I chose the waist style strong side carry position.

The mechanics of drawing from your Neo Kilt holster are the same as drawing from your jeans or trouser holster.

And yes contrary to popular belief, I do make kilts in the traditional wools and I will still build holsters in them.

As for the Utilikilt guys, two years ago, they made a very loud company policy pronouncement against all guns in any circumstance.

Thanks for your time.

Yours in pleats!

Josh Amos

montieth said...

This problem is precisely one of the advantages to having WWII kit. I can wear the kilt, don a p37 web belt and hang the Browing Hi-power holster (with BHP) from said web belt and have a contextually appropriate holster with the kilt. Of course then come the tan hose, ammunition boots and puttees.

As to mustanger98's question.

It all depends on the regiment.