Saturday, August 10, 2019

Cock-Up Before Conspiracy

Let's unclench our fourth points of contact here.

Yes, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.  No, no one had him whacked.


If someone had wanted him killed, the best, simplest, easiest, and most effective way to do it is to slip $500 into Mookie's commissary account.  Mookie stabs Epstein in the shower, or the chow line, or church, and Epstein is just one more child molester who got whacked in jail.

Nobody would have given a damn.

Given the Tonight Show-esque quality of the jokes regarding the Clintons grieving over Epstein's "imminent suicide", actually trying to fake a suicide that everyone is joking about is pretty damned dumb.


Segregation has too many cameras. No-one is going to sneak into a segregation cell and hang the occupant. It doesn't happen. It takes too long, and people -- even chomos -- fight back.

If one of those cameras all of a sudden doesn't have footage from the time of the death, then the control room operator winds up in front of Internal Affairs, looking at having a metaphorical pineapple shoved up a very intimate place until he sings.

No, what happened here was a simple case of detention staff getting careless and letting a determined man -- Epstein was looking at a very short, very brutal lifespan in prison -- get ahold of something which allowed him to both check-out ahead of the rapes and the inevitable shanking, and to go out on his own terms ... which was the only real power left to the man.


Cock-up, not conspiracy.

LawDog

27 comments:

Shell said...

Sorry, 'Dog, but I have to disagree. There is more than enough money and power amongst those who were part of his funtime gang to pay off and/or threaten anyone and everyone who was in charge of and/or working during that shift. The money and threats were spread around and it was a hit, or they were spread around and he was allowed to do the job himself, IMNSHO.

Old NFO said...

Cause of death should be interesting... Just sayin...

Tam said...

It's not even confirmed that he was still on suicide watch, but that won't stop the REEEEEEEEEEing.

Anonymous said...

You are a sleazy piece of garbage that gained fame, fortune and power by inviting Presidents, Congress members, celebrities and titans of industry to your island so they could frolic with under age girls.

Why would you ever think that you would go to trial?

You wouldn’t.

Epstein has a huge cache of video that he could count on to insure his safety for a sweet deal and then disappear into Latin America.

Want to bet that it never comes out!

Maybe he did kill himself. But, why would he feel the need?

C. S. P. Schofield said...

"trying to fake a suicide that everyone is joking about is pretty damned dumb."

This is, in fact, the only argument I've run into FOR one or another Clinton being behind it; the Clintons (in spite of flashes of cunning) are astonishingly stupid.

That said, I seriously doubt Shrillary had it done, an as for former President Bubba, I don't think he has the connections anymore.

The 'conspiracy' I give ANY credence to is the possibility that, in spite of mounds of evidence, the case against Epstein was about to go nipples up. Say, somebody in the Prosecution had done something that makes much of the evidence impermissible and makes the rest tainted. That could be a career ender. Unless Epstein dies before the trial.

I don't think it's likely, but I consider it likelier than both 'Shrillary had him done' and 'Trump had it done'. Which are the only versions I'm hearing.

Jeff the Baptist said...

I don't think someone whacked Epstein in his cell and they're covering it up. It could happen, but the conspiracy would be far too large to be stable.

I think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that a hand or two was greased to be intentionally incompetent. If Epstein is already borderline suicidal, then it isn't hard to push him over the edge and ensure he found the means.

Glen Filthie said...

Sorry law man... but BULLSHIT.

Given the people and circumstances involved, this thing stinks to high hell. And you saying "It was an accident, there's nothing to see here, move along"? Buddy, I like cops - but even I can see the optics with that. As a supposedly conscientious officer you should be howling for somebody's blood over this... not trying to downplay it. Everywhere we have been seeing that corrupt law enforcement and prison officials can't be trusted - and it's crap exactly like this driving it. The fact that the Clintons aren't in a cage somewhere is a shit stain on both our law enforcement and judiciary.

If you guys want the respect of the people you swore to protect - then you HAVE to look into shite like this - and be seen publicly - doing a good job of it. At the very best this is criminal negligence and incompetence. At worst, it means we have swamp creatures in our law enforcement that need to be dealt with too.

Dad29 said...

It certainly was not the Clintons. But somebody did it, whether by benign neglect or by active means.

We haven't seen any video, have we? One would think that the FIRST thing Bill Bennett would do is get the video out, edited for TeeVee.

But we haven't seen it. Yet.

Technomad said...

There were apparently quite a few very influential people who stood to be, at least, very embarrassed if Epstein had gone to trial and testified. The suspect list on this one is long, and I'm not at all convinced that it was a suicide, any more than with Vince Foster.

goodOLgunsmith said...

"lets go to the video tape"
oh....wait...nevermind....nothing to see here.

goodOLgunsmith said...

it doesn't matter.
if clinton/demons/guards/inner demons/demoncrats/repugnostics etc did it.
the cold hard fact is that the people who claim you don't need a gun because .gov can keep you safe
can't keep a defendant monitored by guards/sworn officers/cameras, in an international, high visibility, important pedophile trafficking case, safe

Beans said...

Well, to totally throw a bomb into everyone's conspiracy Wheaties, it is being reported by MSNBC no less, that Epstein was moved out of suicide watch a few days before he slabbed himself.

And after working at a mental institution (not prisons because not guilty by reason of insanity) there really is no way to stop a determined person from self-slabbing.

Ever see someone hang themselves using a rope made of tea-bag strings? Yep...

So... wait for 72 hours before going off the rails. Just... wait. Wait and see.

Personally, I favor the total conspiracy theory that he isn't dead at all, this is a deep undercover operation....

Cybrludite said...

I have seen reports that the camera on his cell was kaput.

Anonymous said...

Have to disagree.
The people we are talking about are arrogant to the point they assume the teeming masses will swallow any garbage they feed us.
This has the quality of my explanations to my parents about 2AM returns to home, tore up and reeking of alcohol. To my mind, my stories were cogent and plausible -and I always hoped they would be dumb enough to buy them.
I can see the eye rolls up in heaven over this gem.
Have a tiny bit of experience with the tip top. They are not as smart as we tend to imagine. On the other hand, the only time they have any concern for our regard is when it's lack might hurt them (a rare thing).
V/R JW

Heath J said...

Not giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one. This death is WAY too convenient.

Rick said...

I think he committed suicide. However, he had already made an attempt and had been placed on suicide watch. I would very much like to read the paperwork that was done when he was removed from suicide watch. Who made the assessment and how did they reach the conclusion that he was no longer a high suicide risk?

I would also like to know the methods and means employed by Epstein when leaving for his date night with Satan. Did he MacGyver up the most ingenious noose ever? Did his psychologist leave a pre-tied neck tie behind just in case Jeff wanted to feel pretty?

After the last couple years, the DoJ account at the Bank of Our Lady of the Benefit of the Doubt is completely empty. There needs to be a very thorough, VERY transparent investigation into the circumstances surrounding this. I want to know if this was suicide, or assisted suicide.

Sabre22 said...

Having worked in Corrections for 13 years (now retired) i will throw my .02 cents in. In our county jail we had padded cells 2 to be exact when somebody was put in one they were given a hospital type gown and no clothes no sheets nothing they could hurt themselves with ( As a matter of fact one female inmate was given her panties back and she tried to hang herself with those). Checks on inmate on suicide watch were done every 15 minutes The cells were in the booking area about 20-30 feet away from the desk.
First of all if you want to kill yourself you are going to find a way to do it. What Epstein apparently did was wait until a shift that was short staffed and not prone to going strictly by the book was on duty and offed himself when they gave him the chance. One of the things we were told was to be very attentive to our duties as the inmates would take advantage of any situation they could.

Unknown said...

Even if he did commit suicide, it is entirely possible he was "encouraged" to do so by others. And, apparently, taken off suicide watch to ensure he could follow his orders.

McWopski said...

Epstein isn't dead; he, Elvis, and Bigfoot went fishing at Loch Ness.

Seriously though, with the number of powerful people that he probably had dirt on, his life wasn't worth a Chinese Nickel on the inside, and only slightly more on the outside. He probably saw this as a way to avoid the fate that Lawdog outlined.

Anonymous said...

I speculate he had a "get out of jail free" card, in the form of a thumb drive or something.
And, my theory is, he was shown that "somebody had that" so he wasn't getting out of anything.
A cell phone photo, a smiling face, pointing at it...

That's my theory anyways.

Andrew

BillM said...

Preliminary autopsy results. Hyoid and several other bones in neck broken.
He wrapped a sheet around his neck, tied it to the top bunk, and suffocated himself
from a kneeling position? Nope. Broken hyoid MAYBE, but no way do you break
one or more cervical vertebrae that way.

Dad29 said...

BillM beat me to it. The odds on "suicide" are diminishing rapidly.

Jeff Gauch said...

The body does not go gently into that good night. Restrain the neck and allow the body to do the jig of death and it's not impossible you'll see more than just a broken hyoid.

Cincinnatus said...

We are up to TWO malfunctioning cameras now....

Fergus said...

All is well, sleep, sleeep, all is well......

Rodulf said...

I cannot agree with your suicide theory of Epstein. I work as a state CO and there are just too many anomalies in the official narrative. No way this is simple suicide. I would bet the whole farm on homicide with a tremendous amount of government assistance.

Harry_the_Horrible said...

Suicide watchs suspended.
Guards asleep.
Cameras not working.
Some people worked awfully hard to give Epstein that opportunity to 'suicide.'