tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post6927193112402879888..comments2023-11-27T02:17:22.859-06:00Comments on The LawDog Files: Somebody alert Tallahassee from Zombieland.LawDoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05232684877582591461noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-53391903899494128052012-11-30T01:36:40.466-06:002012-11-30T01:36:40.466-06:00Check out what the union bosses are making. I bet...Check out what the union bosses are making. I bet none of them take a pay cut to help out any of the 18,000 people they put out of work, or even the 6,500 of their own union members that they put out of work.<br /><br />http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2012/11/about-hostess-brands-bankruptcy.htmlMike Van Pelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04926312328070187726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-43881961689112514362012-11-28T22:56:14.773-06:002012-11-28T22:56:14.773-06:00FWIW, the Teamsters carry a fair bit of blame for ...FWIW, the Teamsters carry a fair bit of blame for this, perhaps more than the bakers. If it costs twice as much to deliver the goods because of added union bodies whose presence is stipulated in the contract, you can't compete very well at all.<br /><br />My grandfather was a fervent union man, and in his day the unions were necessary. Today, they're the problem. Welcome to life's pendulum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-20711822616187700942012-11-28T17:31:10.169-06:002012-11-28T17:31:10.169-06:00Sorry dudes. As much fun as it is to bash the unio...Sorry dudes. As much fun as it is to bash the union, and make fun of twinkies themselves... <br /><br />The equity company that took over in 2009 looted the company, gave themselves huge raises and fees for essentially no improvement to the company, then used the union as an excuse to shut it down and loot the company of the only thing left of any value- the product names which they are now expected to sell for about 2.5 BILLION.<br /><br />http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13013-a-death-in-the-family-and-the-question-is-whodunit<br /><br />Mitt Romney approves!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-4630837717716391152012-11-27T13:10:46.471-06:002012-11-27T13:10:46.471-06:00ooops, I forgot to sign my above comment about wor...ooops, I forgot to sign my above comment about working for Dolly Madison. (sorry)<br /><br /> WambaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-90653513073363357612012-11-27T13:09:03.444-06:002012-11-27T13:09:03.444-06:00I worked for Dolly Madison back in the early 90s &...I worked for Dolly Madison back in the early 90s & my Mother in Law retired from there a few years ago. Please believe me when I say there's plenty of blame to go around. You would be amazed to hear some of the story's about the upper management both finance wise & intelligence wise. I could never understand why the unions didn't force an accounting years ago while there was a chance of saving those "lost" pensions. I can only assume that they waited so long because they were getting their share (no proof). Unfortunately many people have been raised to believe that the union knows best & so they blindly trust something that in my eyes at least has evolved into a parasite that rivals D.C. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-24006973255368458682012-11-25T19:07:57.889-06:002012-11-25T19:07:57.889-06:00gee there might be stale twinkies now
Heresy. Thos...<b>gee there might be stale twinkies now</b><br />Heresy. Those things never die.<br /><br /><b>some of those brands might be sold to other companies</b><br />I think the owners might form a new company, buy the brand names & recipes from Hostess, hire non-union workers, and start making Twinkies (et. al.) again.Ms.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17393270900141592722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-69945112552391951452012-11-23T02:45:56.341-06:002012-11-23T02:45:56.341-06:00Riiight.
Nothing says "we bad" like dis...Riiight.<br /><br />Nothing says "we bad" like disemploying 18000+ people (including ~6500 of your own) to prove your point. When they're all on the breadline, you win. Right?<br /><br />GoatroperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-60587969858362338172012-11-22T22:03:27.376-06:002012-11-22T22:03:27.376-06:00Happy ThanksgivingHappy ThanksgivingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-87299049919778263052012-11-22T18:34:56.809-06:002012-11-22T18:34:56.809-06:00There was a time and a place for unions, and that ...There was a time and a place for unions, and that time and place is long gone. Now they offer nothing and are just another greedy, grasping hand in your cookie jar. I just don't understand the blind reliance in and trust of unions. No more cooked organization has ever existed, except maybe la cosa nostra itself...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-76610859393764921512012-11-22T14:42:01.110-06:002012-11-22T14:42:01.110-06:00Nope.
Only the bloodsucking union parasites will.
...Nope.<br />Only the bloodsucking union parasites will.<br /><br />As Mr. Burns would say: "Eeeexcellent!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-33232455320031669862012-11-22T09:42:37.623-06:002012-11-22T09:42:37.623-06:00I heard on the news last night that some of those ...I heard on the news last night that some of those brands might be sold to other companies, so Twinkies addicts won't be left dying in the cold. ;)Chas S. Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00923547685265741325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-33776941054052218942012-11-21T20:45:09.790-06:002012-11-21T20:45:09.790-06:00Unions are the last refuge of the incompetent and ...Unions are the last refuge of the incompetent and the lazy. Public sector unions should be illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-71401710475575140462012-11-21T00:05:56.243-06:002012-11-21T00:05:56.243-06:00Mike - All I was really trying to point out was th...Mike - All I was really trying to point out was that blaming any one group was probably overly simplistic. It may be primarily the Union's fault. It may be the Martian's fault, for all I can determine. I don't know. I haven't read the primary sources - the financial statements and the thousands of pages of pleadings filed with the bankruptcy court. All I know is what I see in the news, and I tend to take any news report with a small Siberian salt mine. Your mileage may vary. <br /><br />Mama Kestrelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-16600891344288209152012-11-19T03:20:51.854-06:002012-11-19T03:20:51.854-06:00Back in '75-76, my girlfriend's brother go...Back in '75-76, my girlfriend's brother got a job working at a union controlled forklift factory in Philly. You had to know someone in the union to get a job there. Entry level job was sweeping the machineshop floor at night, for $22/hr !!! Japanese brands put them out of business due to costs, just as they did in the automobile field.<br /><br />In the early 80's, I had a female co-worker who was just marking time until the local auto plant re-opened. (near San Jose, CA) She regaled us with tales of how they would sabotage the vehicles they were building, due to ongoing disputes with company management. (fish behind door panels, etc) <br /><br />Both the Ford and GM plant closed within a couple years. Eventually the Ford plant was turned into a mall.<br /><br />The GM plant was turned over to Toyota, in a joint production deal (NUMMI). The Japanese told the GM union people they would look at the prior workers, but would make no promises as to hiring. Out of about 3000+, they hired less than 800, IIRC. <br /><br />A roommate who was an engineer there, told me they were hiring assembly workers based on attitude, not experience. That they could teach almost anyone how to do the job, providing they had the correct attitude. NUMMI lasted 25yrs, and I don't recall labor problems there.<br /><br />IIRC, he said there was only 7 layers of management, from the lowest level floor supervisor to the CEO in Japan. GM had over 30!<br /><br />It would be difficult for me to lower my opinion of labor unions and union workers. They outlived their usefulness here probably 80 yrs ago. <br /><br />Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-77186724552796173242012-11-19T02:22:48.622-06:002012-11-19T02:22:48.622-06:00There's gonna be some particularly interesting...There's gonna be some particularly interesting levels of violence if the hippies and the stoners start firebombing union offices....<br /><br /> <br /><br />Come to think of it, how many twinkies is a pound of cannibus really worth, now?<br /><br />Cheers!Graysonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-11377316730328630562012-11-18T07:43:06.732-06:002012-11-18T07:43:06.732-06:00somebody needs to put up the Grok Sign and see wha...somebody needs to put up the Grok Sign and see what PJs folks know about this.<br /><br />gee there might be stale twinkies now.robert martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925027454221767119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-10374484825433169522012-11-18T05:34:23.417-06:002012-11-18T05:34:23.417-06:00Now, now.
If someone wants to believe that the pe...Now, now.<br /><br />If someone wants to believe that the people who can run a multimillion dollar enterprise are financially stupider than people who need a union's help to hold down a job baking Twinkies, well, it's a semi-free country.<br /><br />You can lead a horse to water, but you can't freeze the water, open an ice show, and teach the horse to drive the Zamboni between performances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-79491742491287150462012-11-18T00:33:59.505-06:002012-11-18T00:33:59.505-06:00Mama Kestrel said...
There's plenty of st...<b>Mama Kestrel said...<br /><br /> There's plenty of stupid to go around. As another reader pointed out, Hostess has been in trouble for a decade, and gave their execs 80% raises at the same time they were asking employees to take drastic cuts. That's obscene. It was the bankruptcy court trustees, going over the books, who discovered the raises, too; it's not like they were voluntarily disclosed.</b><br /><br />Actually, it was a conversion of performance bonuses to salary. According to one account I read, it was *required* by the bankruptcy court. Additionally, the CEO was taking a <b><i>ONE DOLLAR</i></b> salary and had been since the 2004 bankruptcy.<br /><br /><b>They may have been wrong; I'm haven't read all the supporting documentation (nor will I; I have better uses for my time),</b><br /><br />So you conveniently stopped with evidence that supported your view?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128209683882251802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-73384629394032160212012-11-17T22:33:23.740-06:002012-11-17T22:33:23.740-06:00On the personal responsibility side of things, any...On the personal responsibility side of things, anyone who relies on a third party (union, employer, or government) to secure their pension is setting themselves up for failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-68548326504296682632012-11-17T19:36:26.343-06:002012-11-17T19:36:26.343-06:00There's plenty of stupid to go around. As ano...There's plenty of stupid to go around. As another reader pointed out, Hostess has been in trouble for a decade, and gave their execs 80% raises at the same time they were asking employees to take drastic cuts. That's obscene. It was the bankruptcy court trustees, going over the books, who discovered the raises, too; it's not like they were voluntarily disclosed. I can see where the union negotiators would think the company wasn't acting in good faith and push back. They may have been wrong; I'm haven't read all the supporting documentation (nor will I; I have better uses for my time), but the one thing that's clear is that blaming the whole on any one factor or party is a huge over-simplification. Mama Kestrelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-2706831145187177532012-11-17T16:10:13.696-06:002012-11-17T16:10:13.696-06:00And it was only ONE of the two unions who went on ...And it was only ONE of the two unions who went on strike. The other, the Teamsters, actually crossed the picket lines.<br /><br />I listened to some audio of the strikers. They expect someone to come in and buy the bakeries and they'll all go back to work. Stupid. If that happened, why do they think the new owners would hire a batch of troublemakers? Some of those bakeries are in Right-To-Work states.<br /><br />Stupidity is rampant.Crucishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441911110953212619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-20575911201243251802012-11-17T07:40:05.553-06:002012-11-17T07:40:05.553-06:00No, no.
You've got it all wrong.
It was the ...No, no.<br /><br />You've got it all wrong.<br /><br />It was the evil, greedy corporation that ran the company into the ground and bankrupted it. Those poor downtrodden union people were just trying to do their best to save the workers.<br /><br />It's true. I saw it on TeeWee.MSgt Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00035771485514432736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-87477437175056102122012-11-17T02:58:41.220-06:002012-11-17T02:58:41.220-06:00LD...The Teamsters geeked to the same deal as they...LD...The Teamsters geeked to the same deal as they company was asking the Bakers union to geek to...before the old contract was even up. The teamsters told them take the damn deal or we'll all be out of work. As you can see...the Bakers union didn't listen...*facepalm*Da Curly Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07631427436506831892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-30627559502812568042012-11-17T02:05:21.607-06:002012-11-17T02:05:21.607-06:00Lawdog,
I have a problem that maybe you can help...Lawdog, <br /><br />I have a problem that maybe you can help me with.<br /><br />Mine is that I was just arrested on PC Disorderly Conduct: Alcohol.<br /><br />What gets me is How fast they showed up in multiple cars...(I am hated by the methheads) and how polite the police were (nods).<br />What I wonder..is what this charge means?<br />Is it Drunk in public or is this a rotifer?<br />I could call a lawyer..but ...<br />really?<br />drunk in public?<br />going home with beer?<br />well..<br />any advice would be apprecieted.<br /><br />leaperman<br />All Saint without, all Devil within. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-31467789624331395432012-11-17T00:11:02.761-06:002012-11-17T00:11:02.761-06:00"a pen, a sheet of paper and one round"
..."a pen, a sheet of paper and one round"<br /> <br />The above list being slightly useless without adding a fourth item, a firearm.<br /> <br />But given the general ineptitude evident in a union that got over 6000 of their members laid off for Christmas, they'd probably forget the necessary tool and have to do the deed with just the round.Bergmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15655639287511708314noreply@blogger.com