tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post1773017044824390755..comments2023-11-27T02:17:22.859-06:00Comments on The LawDog Files: Personal Defence WeaponsLawDoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05232684877582591461noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-53734656303446921652012-11-02T04:47:39.745-05:002012-11-02T04:47:39.745-05:00I would like to appreciate your thinking and writi...I would like to appreciate your thinking and writing skills.Ammohttp://www.gunnation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-61844914532430628812012-10-26T19:46:30.485-05:002012-10-26T19:46:30.485-05:00But, but! Star Gate Command kills aliens all the t...But, but! Star Gate Command kills aliens all the time with that round!Stretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-53282058315381754442012-10-17T20:34:33.018-05:002012-10-17T20:34:33.018-05:00markm: Ah, someone remembers the infamous story of...markm: Ah, someone remembers the infamous story of the Iraqi insurgent that shot an Army guy in the mouth -- and the Army guy never even stopped.<br /><br />I always figured Mr. Insurgent had some bad ammo, and the round didn't have enough juice to do its job, instead knocking out the guy's tooth and embedding itself in his upper jaw.Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-17262930185780026612012-09-12T17:03:55.040-05:002012-09-12T17:03:55.040-05:00You're missing the point. The 5.7 and other so...You're missing the point. The 5.7 and other souped-up tiny caliber sub-guns were designed in Europe, for combat between "civilized" armies. Their soldiers understand that, when you're perforated, no matter how tiny the hole, you lie down, scream for a medic, and enjoy your vacation. The 9mm used to be perfect for that, but since the US Army is wearing body armor, pretty soon all the other "civilized" troops will also have it. And 9mm rounds sometimes bounce off front teeth, let alone armor... <br /><br />So they invented a round that will make a teeny-tiny hole through armor, with recoil that wimps can handle. And they issued it with a SMG so you don't have to shoot so well. Cooks and supply clerks can at least scare anyone who gets too close, and maybe even send a few of the enemy on medical leave.<br /><br />And it's not that bad for real combat troops in close quarter work, either. If the enemy isn't civilized enough to quit at the first hit, a half-dozen teeny holes equal one or two .45 hits. Against light body armor the AP rounds should make holes where .45's only make bruises, and the 9mm would only annoy your target (if he notices you shooting at him). <br /><br />What I really wonder is how these sub-guns would work for mechanics and technicians that are too damned busy fixing everyone else's gear to clean their own weapons. (Think Jessica Lynch's unit.) They'd do better with a cut-down AK47 than an M4 carbine, and I think the 5.7 is going to be easier to carry than either of those - if it will still work after they've toted it for weeks without even looking inside.markmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-55697521010569920952012-09-11T11:53:15.173-05:002012-09-11T11:53:15.173-05:00Ft Hood, TX.
214 rounds expended by all parties. 1...Ft Hood, TX.<br />214 rounds expended by all parties. 13 dead, 30 wounded.<br /><br />Most of the rounds were from Maj. Hassan's FN 5.7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-5096576006556300722012-09-11T07:32:07.565-05:002012-09-11T07:32:07.565-05:00I'd like to have one but in .22LR so I could a...I'd like to have one but in .22LR so I could actually afford to shoot it full auto. R.L. Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04600243823595295539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-2569519608325514512012-09-10T21:55:10.556-05:002012-09-10T21:55:10.556-05:00I kinda question why H&K didn't just put u...I kinda question why H&K didn't just put up the HK53 instead of the MP7. We already have MP5's in our arsenal, with armorers trained on them, and big stockpiles of 5.56. Even out of a short barrel a 62gr. penetrator will kick the ballistic crap out of both of those PDW rounds. If they just had to come up with something "new and improved," how about one that takes stanag mags? Regardless of the platform, it seems to me that a 5.56 PDW just makes more sense.Mister_Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-67030657833826419652012-09-10T21:11:50.450-05:002012-09-10T21:11:50.450-05:00Personally, Folks, I'd LIKE an FN FiveseveN, b...Personally, Folks, I'd <i>LIKE</i> an FN FiveseveN, but I don't "qualify" for the LEO ammunition - so why bother?<br /><br />Semper Fi'<br />DMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-72935117200921043512012-09-10T17:04:05.204-05:002012-09-10T17:04:05.204-05:00I mean it's not like you need to come up with ...I mean it's not like you need to come up with a new mini-calibre to make a subgun that goes through bodyarmor...<br /><br />The m/39B (swedish army) steel-plated +P 9x19mm (often a benchmark for how well 9mm pistols handle +P pressures) will go through class IIIA bodyarmor / 50 layers of kevlar. It's known to penetrate kevlar helmets(and the bone beneath) at 200 meters.Mikaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894602732468692375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-27692678289307474652012-09-10T11:27:20.909-05:002012-09-10T11:27:20.909-05:00Modern version of the .30 carbine.
I'd rather...Modern version of the .30 carbine.<br /><br />I'd rather have an M1 Carbine.<br /><br /><br />And do not get me started on Recoil magazine's "civilians" crap.<br /><br />Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-26873058278686739052012-09-10T10:29:45.532-05:002012-09-10T10:29:45.532-05:00So the vunder round can penetrate Soviet body armo...So the vunder round can penetrate Soviet body armor at 300 yards but a 22 mag has a tough time killing a woodchuck at 150 yards?<br /><br />Has anybody spent much time over the last twenty years shooting folks with body armor? Not in Iraq, AFPAC, Somalia or Panama.<br /><br />GerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-70193496480151712172012-09-10T09:16:34.749-05:002012-09-10T09:16:34.749-05:00That was a very amusing commentary... My favourite...That was a very amusing commentary... My favourite FN weapon is the 7.62 FAL followed closely by the LMG or more commonly called the MAG.<br />Shooting through a 9" tree is a piece of cake with this kit.RobChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07495024548913451231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-12302913484025875132012-09-10T08:45:33.175-05:002012-09-10T08:45:33.175-05:00My immediate thought on reading about the PN was &...My immediate thought on reading about the PN was "Why on earth would you adopt a weapon requiring yet another sort of ammunition, thereby adding another factor of complication to your supply problems?"<br /><br />That said, there is some thought behind this. Most people - even most troops (and we're talking about CLERKS here) - are not shooters, and therefore cannot hit the broadside of a bard with a pistol. Rifles are awkward, and get put down a lot. The PN looks like it could be slung out of the way. I'm sure it looks even MORE like it could be slung out of the way if the looker is a design specialist or a General who doesn't have to schlep ration cases with any regularity. And say what you like, but if the clerks can manage one hit in ten, the PN would then generate 5 small calibre hits per magazine, which is something I personally would care to avoid.<br /><br />In short, it looks GREAT on paper, if you aren't one of the people actually likely to have to use the thing.<br /><br />In the case of the PN, though, it has found widespread acceptance as the go-to gun for arming cinematic henchmen. I bet they've sold more to hollywood than to anyone else.C. S. P. Schofieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-34486324648343378722012-09-09T21:19:13.739-05:002012-09-09T21:19:13.739-05:00Heck, if I wanted a mini bullet hose in a wussy ca...Heck, if I wanted a mini bullet hose in a wussy caliber, a CZ Skorpion vz 61 would do the trick- and cost far less- in the world market at least.<br /><br />But I'm rather happy with my Colt 6920.Joe in PNGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-58949081768088735972012-09-09T19:51:28.307-05:002012-09-09T19:51:28.307-05:00There have been actual handguns with better perfor...There have been actual handguns with better performance for at least 116 years now, starting with the C96 Mauser Broomhandle.<br /><br />And for the latest re-invention combining old and new, check out Armscor's 1911 chambered in a caliber they invented, the .22 TCM. In short, it's a cartridge the size and dimensions of 9x19mm (even uses the same magazines without modification), necked down to .223 so that it can launch a 40 grain pill at 2100 feet per second.<br /><br />Then they put it in a double-stack 18+1 1911, along with a spare 9mm barrel for cheap practice and plinking, and delivered it right to you, ladies and gentlemen.<br /><br />Because it's not an AP round, it's perfectly legal.<br />KBCraignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-22401788852560906422012-09-09T19:12:46.539-05:002012-09-09T19:12:46.539-05:00I guess they won't be reviewing the Kel Tek PM...I guess they won't be reviewing the Kel Tek PMR-30 then will they.Gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04184848347106935589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-16914298951575570792012-09-09T18:46:58.611-05:002012-09-09T18:46:58.611-05:00+1 on Roger's comment
I'll take an M-1 Car...+1 on Roger's comment<br />I'll take an M-1 Carbine.<br />more effective range and it can be aimed it also comes with an effective pig sticker at the business end too.<br /><br />Wondering who was thinking what about using something even smaller than a 5.56? as if ammo logistics aren't stupid enough with 7.62 x51 x39 and 9x19, .45 ACP and what ever the sandbox standards are for Warsaw pact pistols (9x18 7.62x25)<br /><br />Woerm/THRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-11467971587257626382012-09-09T18:42:22.494-05:002012-09-09T18:42:22.494-05:00You'd think they'd give the rear echelon b...You'd think they'd give the rear echelon bunch a shotgun or two. They're great for close and personal warfare and you don't have to worry about the missed rounds going places they weren't intended. Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969361446367636746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-18162634318471346522012-09-09T17:45:18.802-05:002012-09-09T17:45:18.802-05:00Our enemies, and our criminals, for the most part,...<i>Our enemies, and our criminals, for the most part, DON'T WEAR BODY ARMOR.</i><br /><br />No, but American troops do. Makes me wonder who FN and H&K expect these guns to be pointed at.Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813274491601970838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-90260302785829509032012-09-09T15:43:54.723-05:002012-09-09T15:43:54.723-05:00Oh and I forgot to mention above... Effectiveness ...Oh and I forgot to mention above... Effectiveness against body armor is great...<br /><br />Except the M4 is plenty effective against body armor (particularly at the short ranges PDWs are effective) so it's not like we have a problem there...<br /><br />And more importantly...<br /><br />Our enemies, and our criminals, for the most part, DON'T WEAR BODY ARMOR.AnarchAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447178964096399015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-51916333604046859762012-09-09T15:37:28.165-05:002012-09-09T15:37:28.165-05:00Speaking as one of the 'rear-echelon types'...Speaking as one of the 'rear-echelon types' (helicopter mechanic), I'll stick with my M-4, thank you very much.<br /><br />OrionOrionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913419734709487748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-55257989300748686872012-09-09T15:10:43.215-05:002012-09-09T15:10:43.215-05:00They pushed more than a few buttons: https://www.f...They pushed more than a few buttons: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Recoil.gun.lifestyle/posts/360458947366646" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/Recoil.gun.lifestyle/posts/360458947366646</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-60157719837343189432012-09-09T15:07:40.728-05:002012-09-09T15:07:40.728-05:00Your basic spray and pray for those folks who don&...Your basic spray and pray for those folks who don't get a lot of training.Well Seasoned Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16670165728759453075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-25411707245149850872012-09-09T15:00:41.389-05:002012-09-09T15:00:41.389-05:00Yeah... the theoretical point is that they're ...Yeah... the theoretical point is that they're controllable in full auto, short, relatively light, and are effective against body armor... with the military restricted armor piercing ammunition. <br /><br />It's a concept... One I disagree with. Give them an assault carbine, or an SMG, not something combining the worst features of both. <br /><br />Completely ineffective in stopping with a single round, you need the full auto; and it will only penetrate body armor with the restricted ammo... so as a civilian weapon it's kinda pointless. <br /><br />No more "dangerous" than a long barreled .22wmr pistol; and rather less dangerous than either an m4gery, or a defensive pistol of any kind.AnarchAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447178964096399015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-22583712455809064172012-09-09T14:48:39.451-05:002012-09-09T14:48:39.451-05:00That ole .30 M1 Carbine keeps lookin better and be...That ole .30 M1 Carbine keeps lookin better and better.<br /><br />Rogernoreply@blogger.com