tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post9098373854310180308..comments2023-11-27T02:17:22.859-06:00Comments on The LawDog Files: Meditations on Kel-TecLawDoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05232684877582591461noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-79918557508899025562011-02-23T19:24:28.135-06:002011-02-23T19:24:28.135-06:00Looks like they're fixing this problem: http:/...Looks like they're fixing this problem: http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=6822Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703827219500597351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-54321398697778244492011-02-05T21:18:38.877-06:002011-02-05T21:18:38.877-06:00I'm happy with my pf-9. I'm enough of a f...I'm happy with my pf-9. I'm enough of a fussy customer that my 2 FFL agents have me fill out my own return paperwork, which they proofread. <br /><br />I'm a bit disappointed that there is no working trigger reset.<br /><br />I doubt it will be an issue if I ever need to use it.John Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875185117306503147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-54278790539296743572011-02-01T14:01:29.609-06:002011-02-01T14:01:29.609-06:00Glock trigger habits when shooting my Kel-Tec PF9 ...Glock trigger habits when shooting my Kel-Tec PF9 leads to a "click" instead of a "bang." Apparently (and this is mentioned on the Kel-Tec www) if the trigger doesn't completely reset forward it isn't properly setup for the next pull. Seems like an engineering oversight or corner-cut to me.<br /><br />Lesser annoyances are having to press the mag release button when inserting a mag and the possibility of damage if dry-fired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-77121081084589718442011-01-27T18:43:58.878-06:002011-01-27T18:43:58.878-06:00Tam, fair comment. You do see a lot more guns cros...Tam, fair comment. You do see a lot more guns cross your desk as it were than I do in a sales capacity. <br /><br />So far as I've seen, they've gone boom when I've fired them and aside from a minor failure, of a minor non critical part I've seen no problems. The largest problem I ever had with a firearm was a cracked bolt face on an Century Arms Inc L1A1 FAL and that was one that was probably quite long in the tooth before it was sporterized in the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-45780078190488540652011-01-27T09:24:04.349-06:002011-01-27T09:24:04.349-06:00Monteith,
I guess I have a pretty jaded opinion o...Monteith,<br /><br />I guess I have a pretty jaded opinion of Kel-Tec, too. Once you fill out your fiftieth or hundredth return label to Cocoa, FL, you get that way.<br /><br />And then other people call you a "hater" because their P3AT is teh awesome and has run flawlessly!<br /><br />When you buy a KelTec, you have about a 70% chance of being a happy owner. When I sell Kel-Tecs, I have a three-in-ten chance of seeing you back later as an irate customer. It leads to different outlooks.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-83653816004717100852011-01-27T07:06:09.002-06:002011-01-27T07:06:09.002-06:00Sounds to me like the booth drone was confused as ...Sounds to me like the booth drone was confused as to what the bugwas that was being reported, on account of the remarks about the LEO only version being slam-fireable and the later response from the folks who actually know which end is the naughty one.<br /><br />Word Verification: knonel, how a Southerner pronounces the name of a land service O-6's rank.Cybrluditehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02222195374935367060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-64833910652030550682011-01-26T09:56:03.454-06:002011-01-26T09:56:03.454-06:00Jake, having spoken to Caleb about this, I think &...Jake, having spoken to Caleb about this, I think "hard-on" is an accurate characterization. He also said the [unloaded, 14 round mag tube equipped bullpup shotgun] balanced funny.<br /><br />As to what I mean by 'feature' as a term. <br /><br />-Feature is an aspect inherent in the design that is deliberate. <br />-Bug is an aspect inherent in a design or construction that is NOT desired. <br /><br />Generally bugs crop up in engineering and construction and need to be removed from the product. Good companies do this. Sometimes bugs get left in as features by obtuse and pointy haired management (see also Microsoft). <br /><br />It is my suspicion that this trigger issue is a clear bug and not a feature that is deliberate or that will remain with the firearm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-64189237621840540442011-01-26T09:10:56.106-06:002011-01-26T09:10:56.106-06:00Maybe Ruger will rip of the design, and fix all th...Maybe Ruger will rip of the design, and fix all the bugs. We can only hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-86919009109621576672011-01-26T05:55:14.559-06:002011-01-26T05:55:14.559-06:00Re: autofire. I shoot with a bunch of retrograde ...Re: autofire. I shoot with a bunch of retrograde curmudgeons who, believe it or not, prefer to load their rifles from the front. This shooting is done at a range used by the local Sherrif's Dept. SWAT team. They shoot mostly full auto M16 type rifles from the look I get from about fifty yards, they won't allow us proles to come any closer. <br /><br />I went over once after the SWATTIES were all done to look at the targets they left. At fifty yards the fifteen of them put a distressingly small number of holes in vital areas of the targets with their full auto varmint guns compared to what the ten of us crusty old curmudgeons would have done with our muzzleloading flint and caplocks in the same length of time.<br /><br />Perhaps the SWATTIES would benefit from being issued muzzleloading single shot rifles and pistols, then being trained to be competent with them. <br /><br />That these clowns are being sent out to roam around armed with machine guns they are not competent to use under color of authority frightens and distresses me.<br /><br />On the other hand, I do live in an adjoining County.<br /><br />Gerry N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-85986341009550119992011-01-25T18:13:22.722-06:002011-01-25T18:13:22.722-06:00To take that technique to the next step, you could...To take that technique to the next step, you could go to a release trigger. It would sure make the critters nervous while keeping them covered.Steve Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-8530526439203895992011-01-25T14:49:13.351-06:002011-01-25T14:49:13.351-06:00My Model 12 and my Browning slam fire if I don'...My Model 12 and my Browning slam fire if I don't get off the trigger fast enough. :D Other than that, I have trained with the method you mention.armedandsafenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-14593680879806458692011-01-25T11:21:41.957-06:002011-01-25T11:21:41.957-06:00LD, you are correct, that sucker scared me... That...LD, you are correct, that sucker scared me... That much primer wipe (completely across the primer and onto the case) made me think the bolt was unlocking prematurely, possibly due to overpressure, and having seen a few kabooms in rifles due to that, I really didn't want to play anymore.Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-5994941188396244012011-01-25T10:57:22.282-06:002011-01-25T10:57:22.282-06:00LawDog-
Points well taken. However, KelTec is awar...LawDog-<br />Points well taken. However, KelTec is aware of the issue and points out that this is a pre-production model. Obviously, they wanted to get it to SHOT. <br /><br />They have 6-8 months to iron out the squawks before their promised production date. I'm not saying the piece will be GTG when it's done, but I suspect the trigger reset will not be an issue on the final version. Let's see.<br /><br />We shot a quick video of the KelTec piece at the show. Audio is not great due to all the background noise, but for those who weren't there: <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdenGQPsPFM<br /><br />Best regards-<br />Rich Lucibella<br />S.W.A.T. MagazineRich Lucibellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03317914081455082454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-49168881707814580782011-01-25T10:44:37.189-06:002011-01-25T10:44:37.189-06:00I was taught the same trigger tech were I was shoo...I was taught the same trigger tech were I was shooting. The only time I had to not do it was with an Ithaca 37 without the disconnector. 'Course you could run that thing the whole way just holding the trigger back if'n you know what you were doing. :)PA State Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09895072206073321100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-6412523516432922232011-01-25T10:37:48.826-06:002011-01-25T10:37:48.826-06:00"I think Caleb has a hard-on for Keltec. As o...<i>"I think Caleb has a hard-on for Keltec. As others said, it was not a feature."</i><br /><br />Caleb wasn't pitching it as a feature - in fact, he was pretty adamant about it being unacceptable, and called it "a major design flaw" and "something that could get you killed if you used this gun."<br /><br />He was <i>told</i> it was a feature by the Kel-Tec sales rep on the floor at SHOT. Later reports in the comments seem to be that Kel-Tec is contradicting that, so it looks like the reps at the time were misinformed or confused.Jake (formerly Riposte3)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02976718318892210404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-68902818679152179902011-01-25T10:11:40.169-06:002011-01-25T10:11:40.169-06:00I hope they get the problems worked out. Kel-Tec ...I hope they get the problems worked out. Kel-Tec is producing designs that are well out into the "cool" zone. I have drooled over the PMR for over a year but I have neither laid eye nor hand upon one. My limited experience with Kel-Tec was a single stack 9MM we rented at a local range. It had the most horrendous trigger pull I have ever felt. With ammo left in our box, we were more than happy to turn it back in. Many Kel-Tec afficianados have assured me it was an anomoly. I can only hope. This shotgun has the drooling increasing but function overrides the cool factor everytime..45ACP+Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387436051909656633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-49601559084536149392011-01-25T10:03:51.097-06:002011-01-25T10:03:51.097-06:00This comment has been removed by the author..45ACP+Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387436051909656633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-90331059140117017502011-01-25T09:51:19.139-06:002011-01-25T09:51:19.139-06:00Of course, if we put a trench broom in your hands,...Of course, if we put a trench broom in your hands, you'd probably have an AD or three as you revert to training. ;-)<br /><br />I think Caleb has a hard-on for Keltec. As others said, it was not a feature. <br /><br />What strikes me is that given the number of people handling those guns at the shot show, it's quite possible some would get damaged by people racking slides and doing funky things. Sort of a stress test all it's own there. <br /><br />As to the primer wipe, there's a reason you fire hard primers in a lot of military type semi-autos. Floating firing pins are a factor that's inherent in the function and design.<br /><br />Oleg was carrying around a CNC Printed magazine, so, I'd suspect he had a VERY early model. <br /><br />Given what I've seen out of the Keltec shop in terms of developments and the sand it takes to run a gun company in this day and age (BATFE) I'm willing to cut Keltec some slack to get bugs sorted out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-6097544399835368702011-01-25T06:48:29.141-06:002011-01-25T06:48:29.141-06:00Amusingly enough, I learned a similar technique wh...Amusingly enough, I learned a similar technique when I was with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children during range qualification. Specifically, we used it during the rapid fire sequences: Pull trigger, slowly ease back until we heard the clunk, then sight in and fire again.Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16006614417056969074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-49789548461555781162011-01-25T00:04:05.092-06:002011-01-25T00:04:05.092-06:00Um, sweetie? You have offspring?Um, <em>sweetie</em>? You have offspring?phlegmfatalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08636803080525003892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-35856424661509982352011-01-24T21:37:40.681-06:002011-01-24T21:37:40.681-06:00If a fanboi thinks THAT is a feature, then he need...If a fanboi thinks THAT is a feature, then he needs remedial education; that's insane.<br /><br />I'm iffy about Kel-Tec, having talked to/heard about too many people who had to do work on their P3AT or P32 to make the damn things reliable; an absolute fail for a defensive firearm. Hearing this about the new scattergun, and your experience with the rifle, makes me even more leery their stuff in general.Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-53214737495664952642011-01-24T18:03:57.514-06:002011-01-24T18:03:57.514-06:00Dad: Glad to hear KTWM says they're working o...Dad: Glad to hear KTWM says they're working on it, all I got when I cross-posted Caleb's observations was fanboiz trying to 'splain that it was to prevent slamfirng, which was totally cool for LEOs... (Granted I've been busy and haven't checked back in a few days.)<br />Although in comments to Caleb's post, Daniel of Cheaper Than Dirt said that a different KT rep than Caleb had spoken to had told him it was a glitch and they were working on it.Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-91838217065959604652011-01-24T17:47:02.765-06:002011-01-24T17:47:02.765-06:00Fascinating post. I just learned what "primer...Fascinating post. I just learned what "primer wipe" is and will have to look for it next time I shoot. "Slamfire" I had to look up also but it was pretty obvious from context.<br /><br />I think your political talk is completely nuts, but it's posts like these, and your LEO's-point-of-view posts, oh, and your excellent posts about parenting your kid, that keep me coming back for more. Thanks for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-13029546021037493152011-01-24T17:43:47.917-06:002011-01-24T17:43:47.917-06:00Kel-Tec has left a bad taste in my mouth. Two P3-A...Kel-Tec has left a bad taste in my mouth. Two P3-AT's malf'ed and even sending one back to the factory did not resolve the problem. Yes they have a "Lifetime guarantee" but overnight shipment of pistols gets expensive. I gave up on the P3-AT. <br /><br />Blog link<a href="http://keads-anotherday.blogspot.com/2010/03/its-back.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a>Keadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982258812373127063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-79413504301332443082011-01-24T17:33:12.957-06:002011-01-24T17:33:12.957-06:00LawDog the trigger reset is NOT a feature and is b...LawDog the trigger reset is NOT a feature and is being worked on. KTWM over at KTOG.org has commented on that very issue. I believe it will be a non-issue in future iterations of this innovative little shotgun.<br /><br />The RFB issue... I got nothing for ya on that, except to say mine doesn't do that.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689289474793997403noreply@blogger.com