tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post9185029728762346708..comments2023-11-27T02:17:22.859-06:00Comments on The LawDog Files: Meditations on speedLawDoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05232684877582591461noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-90227928848829444502008-11-13T15:48:00.000-06:002008-11-13T15:48:00.000-06:00Thanks! The kids don't believe me about practicing...Thanks! The kids don't believe me about practicing slow and smooth, and they don't believe the piano teacher. But you are a police officer with a cool video talking about gunfighting and that did the first step - it got their attention. Next time they practice fast and sloppy, I will remind them "what the police officer said about practicing for gunfights"<BR/><BR/>Of course, while I was typing this, ds2 was hurrying unloading the dishwasher so he could eat his cake and dropped a bowl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-27786500006381030042008-11-10T21:37:00.000-06:002008-11-10T21:37:00.000-06:00Funny, as someone who autocrosses (competitive dri...Funny, as someone who autocrosses (competitive driving in street cars in a parking lot with a track marked by cones) that saying "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" is quite familiar.<BR/><BR/>The guy with the katana yelling BANZAI! while squealing all over the course in giant clouds of rubber smoke and spinning tires is a lot slower than the guy who looks like he's out for a pleasure drive.<BR/><BR/>To your point, training is indeed everything. In an emergency, we all default to the level of our training.<BR/><BR/>Have you done some dry-fire practice lately?triptyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240153041034322689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-23746155141386805292008-11-09T20:18:00.000-06:002008-11-09T20:18:00.000-06:00hiskid, yeah, he really was that fast and smooth. ...hiskid, yeah, he really was that fast and smooth. Almost spooky to watch at times.<BR/><BR/>And you have my admiration, didn't get to take part in a demo with him.Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-28312080794649169762008-11-07T03:46:00.000-06:002008-11-07T03:46:00.000-06:00I am not going to comment on when it is right to s...I am not going to comment on when it is right to shoot or not other than I think that is a decision for most that has to be made when they are actually in the situation. What I would like to add to a nice piece of writing is that if you carry a gun for RW/CCW do 20 dryfire draws every time you put it on. Beats a cup of coffee in the morning. <BR/>Take care,<BR/>Matt BurkettMattBurkett.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862419863222355966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-32773992901532476162008-11-06T17:21:00.000-06:002008-11-06T17:21:00.000-06:00Alright, already! Can you not read that LawDog sai...Alright, already! <BR/>Can you not read that LawDog said "could be staged?"<BR/>Can you not read that he said (in the second post on these comments) "That'll teach me to read the descriptions"?<BR/>Talk about beating a dead horse.<BR/>What he says is still valid. Deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-64184609611447416072008-11-06T11:56:00.000-06:002008-11-06T11:56:00.000-06:00That was a Chevrolet commercial for the new Malibu...That was a Chevrolet commercial for the new Malibu...also, the director's voice on the bullhorn is a give-away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-76519343366319254842008-11-06T07:28:00.000-06:002008-11-06T07:28:00.000-06:00Lawdog and others. In case it wasn't mentioned al...Lawdog and others. In case it wasn't mentioned already, the above video clip is from a Chevrolet commercial for the 2008 Malibu. The clip above is merely shot from a different angle from the actual commercial that got aired on television.<BR/><BR/>Here's the actual commercial:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL946vRUDJg<BR/><BR/>Your comments on being able to quickly produce a self defense firearm are valid and good as usual.<BR/><BR/>Marc<BR/>www.SaveTheGuns.comSaveTheGuns.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17184992080433588290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-78676172217183009712008-11-06T01:13:00.000-06:002008-11-06T01:13:00.000-06:00Firehand: When I was about 13 and in the 7th grade...Firehand: When I was about 13 and in the 7th grade for the second time, Dan Combs called me up on stage at a full school (2400 kids) assembly.<BR/>He told me to put my hads about a foot apart and clap my hands whenever I was ready. I did and he just looked at me. Then he told me to do it again. I did and my hands hit his 44 magnum. That scared me so bad I almost wet my pants, but it taught me a lifelong lesson.<BR/>S-L-O-W for quality, then faster for quantity. <BR/>Took me through a 30 year Navy career, handling and building ordnance.HIS Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07162391954226616030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-25874295262174917252008-11-05T19:27:00.000-06:002008-11-05T19:27:00.000-06:00Do you not hear the director "cops come out" of co...Do you not hear the director "cops come out" of course it is fake.Ryan Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06414248790619053685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-67231515209798820792008-11-05T16:21:00.000-06:002008-11-05T16:21:00.000-06:00This was a commercial for something, but it is fun...This was a commercial for something, but it is funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-82561648043628805292008-11-04T23:07:00.000-06:002008-11-04T23:07:00.000-06:00Do not discuss your recollections with anyone unti...<I>Do not discuss your recollections with anyone until the police get there as this may cloud your mind with someone else’s memories or observations.</I><BR/><BR/>And don't discuss ANYTHING with the cops, except, "You can talk to my lawyer when she gets here."Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595960360013731640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-63680341293954527412008-11-04T19:21:00.000-06:002008-11-04T19:21:00.000-06:00Hey ronin555! Be safe where ever you are at bro. T...Hey ronin555! <BR/><BR/>Be safe where ever you are at bro. Thank you for serving our country. <BR/><BR/>I've had the opportunity in the past of serving along side some of the best civilian LEOs.<BR/><BR/>roy in nipomo said...<BR/><BR/>"I'm not sure if your training covered it, but the CHP "Newhall Incident" of 1970 shows the value of both training (one of the officers had the empties from his revolver in his pocket, as they did at the practice range, trying to reload 6 rounds as an armed opponent approaches, etc) and tactics (approached an armed vehicle with shogun at port arms, etc." <BR/><BR/>Roy! That was covered in classes at SFU! How cool it is to run across someone else that studied the CHP shoot out.<BR/><BR/>Unlike the CHP and civilial agencies, Army MP's (at FT Ord) had .45 ACP's to rely upon in addition to 12 guage and M-16.<BR/><BR/>Another shoot out that came up towards the end of courses was the Los Banos shoot out. <BR/><BR/>A CHP Officer did a T/S ending in a felony stop between Los Banos & Santa Nella, CA on Highway <BR/><BR/><BR/> Even though he suffered fatal wounds, the officer was able to shoot, pumping 6 rounds into his assailant before going down.<BR/><BR/>The Newhall shooting is a classic lesson. Even the LAPD learned from that one.....<BR/><BR/>However the B of A robbery, North Hollywoood was a far better lesson. <BR/><BR/>I hope every agency on the face of this planet learned something from it.<BR/><BR/>Everyone else has posted very good and bad points. <BR/><BR/>All are duly noted.streetsweeper https://www.blogger.com/profile/05965939129675602595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-54746351075768239772008-11-04T18:07:00.000-06:002008-11-04T18:07:00.000-06:00SaladmanOkay, I agree with Archangel’s points. Ho...Saladman<BR/><BR/>Okay, I agree with Archangel’s points. However, consider this; in a rape or an armed robbery, or a home invasion, the victim has been specifically targeted by the attacker. That is not the case with a bank robbery. They want the money in the drawer. If they are so stupid as to start robbing the patrons, their career won’t last long. These guys know that seconds count and they know that the alarm often isn’t activated until after they leave, unless somebody is being specifically threatened in which case all bets are off.<BR/><BR/>My “wait until somebody is about to die” comment fits right in with the conditions that Archangel listed. If you a reasonably confident that the trigger is about to be pulled and somebody is about to be shot, by all means, respond appropriately. I can’t give you a specific set of circumstances. Certainly moving the hostages into the back or binding them indicates that something more than robbery is going on.<BR/><BR/>But also consider if you are wrong. What if the gun was intended merely as a means to force immediate compliance? You draw and fire. The robber then fires. A lady waiting to buy a money order takes one in the belly. Or let’s say that your bullet over-penetrates and kills the teller behind him. <BR/><BR/>Is he alone in the bank? A pro might have another team member posing as a customer to handle any unexpected situations like an armed patron. Let’s say that you see another patron draw a pistol. What do you do? Is he part of the robbery team? Is he an off-duty police officer waiting for an opportunity to act? Is he another good Samaritan? Choose quickly and wisely.<BR/><BR/>But remember, you own every bullet that leaves your gun. And if you initiate a gunfight in which bystanders are injured, you may or may not be charged but you will almost certainly be sued and will probably lose. <BR/><BR/>I am not saying that compliance is the answer to safety. That would be stupid. What I am saying is to choose wisely about escalating with lethal force. Decide ahead of time what your rules of engagement are and stick to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-27725441395035816042008-11-04T11:28:00.000-06:002008-11-04T11:28:00.000-06:00I've no experience as I’m from the UK. But...My gr...I've no experience as I’m from the UK. But...<BR/><BR/>My granmother always used to say: "More haste; less speed". <BR/><BR/>We did a search warrant for stolen property in a block of flats on the 11th floor in this block of flats where we knew that the lift wasn’t working and the subjects would dump the stuff once they saw or were told what was going on by observant friends and neighbours. <BR/><BR/>So we parked our vehicle in the street over and… ran to the main entrance… we knew the lift would be too slow so we… ran up the stairs… It was only when we were all outside the door to the premises in question someone asked “who bought the method of entry kit with them?” <BR/><BR/>My personal favourite is the law of 7P: <BR/><BR/>“Prior Preparation and Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-18537772770179627192008-11-04T05:44:00.000-06:002008-11-04T05:44:00.000-06:00Excellent Dawg!Excellent Dawg!Xavierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036652456691021642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-47853328898000127182008-11-03T21:10:00.000-06:002008-11-03T21:10:00.000-06:00tbeck,My first post may have been unclear or rambl...tbeck,<BR/><BR/>My first post may have been unclear or rambling. I don't care about the money one way or the other, and I'm not saying its my job to stop simple property crimes in progress.<BR/><BR/>My main point is that I reject the assumption that cooperating or not resisting is any guarantee of safety in a crime. Even in the studies claiming that non-resistance is safer than resistance (which, again, is only true as a sum total average), the chance of being injured while not resisting goes as high as 33%. So, if you see a chance to resist in a way that controls the situation, I think that's the prudent thing to do.<BR/><BR/>Again, I follow you up to a point, so maybe we're not as far apart as I think. Perhaps what I'm hanging up on is...<BR/><BR/><I>If that property crime is accompanied by the imminent threat of violence to another person, I am willing to act subject to the realities of the situation.</I><BR/><BR/>... I don't know your idea of "imminent threat of violence." My own idea of imminent threat of violence is any of the seven danger signs in the blog post I linked above. And that's not something I often hear from people saying "give them what they want."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-464773603012122992008-11-03T20:45:00.000-06:002008-11-03T20:45:00.000-06:00LD, I don't know how your agency handles it, but m...LD, I don't know how your agency handles it, but my old agency "contained" the scene rather than have everyone just run into the middle of an unknown, hostile situation. <BR/><BR/>Imagine if it was real and one of the bad guys in the bank was ready for the cops to all come rushing in...<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if your training covered it, but the CHP "Newhall Incident" of 1970 shows the value of both training (one of the officers had the empties from his revolver in his pocket, <I>as they did at the practice range</I>, trying to reload 6 rounds as an armed opponent approaches, etc) and tactics (approached an armed vehicle with shogun at port arms, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-46513534065419730102008-11-03T20:44:00.000-06:002008-11-03T20:44:00.000-06:00Starting slow, getting it perfect, and then gettin...Starting slow, getting it perfect, and then getting faster -- that's a very good way to practice music, too.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-72158307884931276502008-11-03T12:42:00.000-06:002008-11-03T12:42:00.000-06:00Saladman, I look at this from both sides of the is...Saladman, <BR/><BR/>I look at this from both sides of the issue. On the one hand I have carried concealed for almost fifteen years now.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I work in the banking industry and our philosophy is, "it's just money." We would much rather see the robber get away than have one of our staff or patrons get injured or killed. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, giving the robber what they want makes the most sense. Yeah, it sucks, but so does a lobby filled with bleeding people.<BR/><BR/>An off-duty or plainclothes police officer has a duty to respond in these situations. That's why they have the arrest powers and the other powers that go with the badge.<BR/><BR/>As private citizens, I believe that we have to set our criteria a bit higher than simply reacting to a felony. My personal philosophy is that I will not kill another person over a property crime, even if the statute says I can. If that property crime is accompanied by the imminent threat of violence to another person, I am willing to act subject to the realities of the situation.<BR/><BR/>Now, understand that I will be READY to act during the event. I'll try to move to a position of cover and make the best I can of the situation. That's where the smooth repetition of the draw and front sight, press comes into play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-23115006303210334102008-11-03T11:20:00.000-06:002008-11-03T11:20:00.000-06:00Lawdog, it may be a movie clip but your point is t...Lawdog, it may be a movie clip but your point is true regardless. I was a police officer before going overseas, and too many officers are influenced by tv and looking cool. It's hard to explain that a methodical approach might be much smarter than a high speed "tactical" approach. Too many officers learn techniques, but don't know the logic behind them, so they don't know when the technique applies or needs to be modified.<BR/><BR/>A hat tip to Streetsweeper for referring me to your site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-19277580410355241842008-11-03T10:46:00.000-06:002008-11-03T10:46:00.000-06:00I've never been in real combat, so my viewpoint co...I've never been in real combat, so my viewpoint comes mainly from a little IPSC.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I prefer <I>"Smooth is fast. Slow is just slow."</I> Which I at least interpret as: the object of the exercise is to get all movements smooth. You can slow down if that is what it takes to make them smooth. But at some point, you do have to bring the speed factor into play. If you only train s-l-o-w and smooth, once that timer sounds off, you will be slower than if you had trained fast, too.<BR/><BR/>Going too fast, too soon is detrimental to proper technique. Because it is not smooth. But <I>only</I> going slow is not good either. Then you just learn to go slow. In IPSC, as in all things in life, there is a balance one must seek.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01258123828236711055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-71995792658833267742008-11-03T02:48:00.000-06:002008-11-03T02:48:00.000-06:00Even without the description it's clear it's stage...Even without the description it's clear it's staged. If you look in the beginning of the scene, you'll see the police car waiting down the street until the robbers are in their car, then it starts moving up to respond. :)<BR/><BR/>But the video being staged doesn't take anything away from the rest of the post, which is a really great post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-45553445206150029672008-11-03T01:31:00.000-06:002008-11-03T01:31:00.000-06:00tbeck: I follow some of what you're saying, not d...tbeck: I follow some of what you're saying, not drawing on a robber with a note, and rehearsing putting your gun down and complying with responding police. But the rest doesn't all follow.<BR/><BR/><I>My advice is to keep the weapon concealed until it is clear that somebody is about to die. ... Pulling a gun on a robber will almost certainly escalate the risk of shots being fired.</I><BR/><BR/>And if you fire the shots and hit, what's the problem?<BR/><BR/>I almost wonder if you've bought some false assumptions from the gun control crowd. This may be an unjust assumption, but something I've seen in other people on "our side" is an acceptance of the canard that you're safer to cooperate than resist with a crime. That statistic is correct overall in some surveys, but falls apart as soon as you break out resisting with a firearm (safer than compliance) from resisting without one (worse than compliance). Its also self-evidently false once you start differentiating between "give me your wallet" and "get in the car."<BR/><BR/>With apologies to our host, I'm posting a link to a list of danger signs of homicidal escalation in a crime. I've yet to see this rebutted by anyone whose judgement I trust. (I would be interested to see if LawDog had any modifications or reservations about it.)<BR/><BR/>http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2007/07/dont-give-them-what-they-want.html<BR/><BR/>The important thing in my view, is that waiting until "somebody is about to die" falls into the same category as the gun controllers' "give them what they want." Both could be right in some circumstances, but taking either as a general true guideline could lead a person to ignore real danger signs until it was too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-49386169041998222252008-11-03T00:23:00.000-06:002008-11-03T00:23:00.000-06:00In what little hand to hand training I have had, I...In what little hand to hand training I have had, I was taught to go through the forms slowly, speeding up gradually. It is far easier to do it this way, than to correct mistakes you have learned to do quickly.<BR/> And yeah, you should always "game out" possible defense scenarios. Trying to figure out something on the fly, in a life-death situation, is a really bad idea. Why do you think soldiers and (ideally) police, EMTs, firefighters and pilots go through so much training??<BR/><BR/>WV: reads. No, really!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22957834.post-47325724765943981152008-11-03T00:03:00.000-06:002008-11-03T00:03:00.000-06:00Cheers,, well saidCheers,, well saidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com